Posted by: Jessica Sprague on Apr 12, 2009
So, I think it's safe to say that we've fallen in love with our computers as memory-keeping tools. And as digital/hybrid scrapbookers I think we find more connection with others online than most traditional scrapbookers do, simply because this is where the other digi's are. :) We are finding each other, and creating communities, and making friends and forming bonds that simply aren't possible in "the real world". I love it! For me, finding the online scrapbooking communities has completely changed my life, and I know it has changed yours, too!
But I'm wondering, whether our "online-ness" has had an impact on what we actually produce into the physical world, in the form of printed pages. And I am putting forth the question to you! Read on for a discussion!
What are your printing habits for your full digital pages?
- Do you get the same thrill from seeing a 12x12 page come out of your printer as you do in slipping a completed paper page into its page protector and into your album? (that is, if you make paper pages anymore!)
- Or do you use a letter-sized printer and print your digital pages as 8x8?
- Or do you order 12x12 prints from one of the online printing sites, or from Costco?
- Or... (*gasp*) do all your pages live on your computer and online?
Do you find yourself making decisions about which pages to print? Do you see yourself printing more or less in the future?
And the big one: Are there things that stop you from printing?
For me, I have been a slacker at printing my digital pages. I will admit that. Used to be really good. I even have a great printer at home, the Epson R1900, and I still have trouble slipping that photo paper in. No idea why, though? So I'm actually hoping for a great discussion here to help me discover my own hidden reason (and hoping that it's not just flat-out laziness! LOL).
For me, I can share with MORE people in LESS time by simply posting a new layout online, and if my kids want to share it, I have a digital photo frame.
However, I AM reminded how much they love to look through my albums, and feel like I SHOULD be printing more of the pages for them to physically look through.
So, where do you fall on the printing question? Can't wait to discuss!
My printer is a cheap freebie that came with my Mac, so I'm never as pleased with the quality of the prints that come out of it as I am with the ones I have printed at Costco or wherever.
I upload about 7-8 at a time, probably. If I could wait longer so that I had more I'm sure I could get a better deal, but I'm an instant gratification kind of girl. Not having the Disney layouts printed out so I can flip through them is killing me, and probably thwarting my motivation to finish that album.
Jessica, Thank you for your self-paced digital scrapping course, I am thoroughly enjoying them.
Oh! I absolutely HAVE to print the pages, I feel that I still want people(my Family) to be able to sit and look at the books as much as they like. My grandchildren love it and never visit without looking at books at least for awhile.
I found the digi LO's look a bit flat in page protectors, and would prefer to make them into books eventually (I only have a handful at classes I have taken here, so I am a beginner really!). Would be really interested to hear how others have got on with photo books.
Thanks for the awesome classes Jessica (and Liv!). Sue
Then I started to create albums and storybooks for people also, quality became even more important to me. Went on a mad search for real bound books. Many places you couldn't print your own artwork pages and had to use their templates and put your photos in. Now, there are options out there. I've printed from several places and will never again buy a bound book that the binding is glued... very little use and it is breaking apart and the glue used is turning color which tells me it's NOT archival quality and I can't get anyone to give me the specs on the glue. Looked into many many places and found a company that gave high quality archival materials and it was printed into a real library SEWN book that would outlast generations. I became a consultant to represent this product I believed in it so much. I am now a heritage maker in my own business called Mommy and Me Storybooks and if nothing else I get high quality and a very nice discount even on regular pricing not including the awesome sales we do and I can offer our products to anyone from Christmas cards to canvas gallery wrapped art. I will NEVER go anywhere else again. Our life stories are too precious to be left in cyber space and NOT be printed!
We have a Canon Pro9000 printer and even though it doesn't produce borderless 12X12 prints I find I don't mind it. I do get behind in printing mainly because my printer is in another room and I am lazy about running back and forth to set it up. When Scrapbooks Please had a sale and free shipping recently I had over 100 pages printed. My kids (teens and up) get our albums off the shelf all the time so I plan to always print my pages. There is still just something about a book in hand....
12X12 paper is hard to find. I have used the Epson 12X12 double sided scrapbook paper and it works well but is the most expensive. Recently I purchased 13X19 double sided matte paper from Red River on sale and I like it. Even if I waste the few inches at the bottom and don't print the other side (I have a hard time with the order of pages too :-) the paper cost is about $.50 per sheet. I use regular Canon glossy photo 81/2 X11 for 8X8 and I stock up when the store has it buy one get one free. I am open to hearing about other paper sources out there.
I'm the geek of the family so my latest venture has been monitor calibration and resetting and refilling the ink cartridges. With all there is to learn about this craft I know I'll never get bored :-)
I print 12x18 at Costco and keep the 12x12 and gift the 6x6's. I managed to complete and print the 2007 pages (in 2007) and I realize now that I haven't printed a single one since then. Yikes! I have great intentions...I also have an Epson wide-format printer (an older one - 1700?) but it lives in its box in the basement. I never used it. It wasn't worth the hassle and the cost and the prints never look as good as commercial printing.
I have shared some layouts online but not most of them. Just the 365's from this year. I guess I really am doing this just for me because no one else can see them. Hmmm.
Sometimes my issue is that I print TOO quickly and don’t give myself enough time to mull over my layout. I’m often scrapping late at night (and sometimes into the wee hours of the morning when I really get into it), and I’m quick to send it off to Costco to print. I save my most recent layouts as my computer wallpaper, and then when I look at it again in the morning I occasionally notice a typo or something I’d like to tweak just a bit. Luckily the people at the Costco photo lab know me really well by now so they’re very nice about just letting me print it again for free. (They’re great over there.) It’s so convenient and I’m at Costco so often anyway that I’m not really tempted to get a good quality large format photo printer anymore.
I also have an online blog/gallery where I post all my layouts so that I can share them with family (or anyone else who wants to look at them). I also post my layouts to the website “stores” where I purchased the supplies I used. I too like to get feedback from others in the digi world!
Oh ... I print my 12x12s on 12x18 paper and use the bottom to print extra copies of the LOs in 6x6 format. I usually give one 6x6 version to my mother and I keep one for myself in a big pile.
So far, the prints I have made I have given to my Mother and Father-in-law (they are computerless, and my mil loves photographs) and they hang in frames on their wall. They love to look at the detail in them. For myself, I plan to have an album with my layouts in it.
I love my digital layouts but I have to admit that I feel a "lack of depth" with them. But then I think about all that I can do digitally (brushes especially) and forget about the lack of depth issue. That's where I'm hoping your hybrid classes might help me.
For me, printing from home seems like "chore," plus, I don't always trust my printer with the latest and greatest, and I just prefer lab results. I guess also it seems more expensive w/the cost of ink these days, and can I really compete with a 12x12 for $2.49 that is gorgeous in quality? I think paper + ink at home costs more than that for one page, but I have never really done the math on it. PLUS, when I get a scrapbookpictures.com "package" of photos and LOs at my door, I am THRILLED and with digi pages, I feel the thrill twice---once with completing it on my computer and again when I get the print delivered and immediately put it in my album (I never wait). I print about once a month and never have digi pages sitting on my computer much longer than that. I just yearn to get them in albums, it's just the way I am.
I usually spend about $20 - $50 per month in a photo order, and I find that I print consistently each month, but not at a certain time. I keep a running list in my scrap room of "to print" things. Sometimes that means a few pictures I want to add to a paper LO, or maybe one I wanted enlarged, and sometimes that is just a barrage of 4x6s, and of course digi layouts. When I finish a digi layout, I usually upload to scrapbookbookpictures.com into my 12x12 - To Print folder right away, so they are waiting there when I am ready to get prints made.
I'm going to now go and see what others do---this is a good topic. =)
I will print out photos from Costco or on my little Epson PictureMate. I'll also print out projects for other people...I've done calendars, quote books and notecards for gifts. On my "list of things to do" is to have my LO's printed by the end of this summer (we'll see how that goes...LOL)!
So my ink cost per layout for 8X8 pages is $3 a page. If I printed 12X12 pages, it would jump from 64 square inches to 144 square inches per layout. When I do the math, that would be $6.75 per page -- not including the cost of the paper.
I didn't realize that I was spending this much on printing at home. I have easy access to a Costco store; so I will switch right away to printing there. There's only so much value in instant gratification!
I bought my wide printer for printing titles and journaling on my paper scrapbook pages. I think that I will stick with that plan.
I'm always on the frugal side, so don't print much at home and feel like a wide-format printer would be too expensive for paper and ink. I'm lucky enough to have a Costco nearby which I visit frequently, usually uploading photos and picking up same or next day, so all my digital LO's and photos I have printed there. I still only print a 12x12 if I'm really happy with it; if I don't like it so much but still want a hard copy I'll print 8x8 and add to a 12x12 paper layout just to save on the price.
I have enjoyed doing 8x8 theme albums with Shutterfly if my event is too big for a large layout in my chronological albums. Their quality is better than several other bound-album websites I've tried. I just wait for a sale before placing my order. And I love that my kids can look at them all they want without me cringing as they flip the pages.
I am absolutely thrilled with Jessica's new Scrapbook Alchemy class. That way I get to use my digital skills and mix with the paper layouts that I love. I even printed on my home printer! I wish I knew how to easily figure out on my printer how much cost per page or per 4x6 print is, because it does a good job (HP Photosmart).
I think right now the world is at a transitioning point. We are learning that to "own" something does not mean it needs to be tangible. We are learning it with music (iPod), with news (dying newspapers) and now photos.
So yes I believe printing is dying.
However, photos of our lives are precious... and we need to find ways to hold on to them. As time moves on Digital Photo frames will be a basic and important part of in our lives. That is what we here a www.cieva.com have devoted ourselves to.
For many consumers, digital frames are a novelty, and when first purchased we find that owners will display anything and everything they snap. But over time they will edit down and show just those pictures that mean the most to them.
So really is the digital scrapbook far away?
I've taken all but one of your scrapbook alchemy classes. I'm not done with my layouts, but I do love the combination of paper and digital. I also love slipping my newly finished layout inside of my page protector. It keeps it safe (from my boys ages 3 and 20 months) and also gives me a feeling of accomplishment. I think sometimes my OCD helps me finish things like that!!!! ha ha ha
I guess their are some good things about it.
ON THE OTHER HAND... There are pages that I haven't/won't print. When I first started I frequently made LO's either for classes or for challenges that weren't something I would print in my books. While they might be interesting, they aren't the right colors/sizes, etc. for me to use. I still complete the pages from classes because I want to learn the techniques, then I transfer those skills to pages I will actually use. And I quit doing challenges that I won't use because I should be spending my time on something I will keep/print rather than something to earn a point or a prize.
My issue really comes with the color. i have been having some major problems with color and am seriously thinking of getting a new printer. I want my photos to look prefect.
Right now I only print 8x8 but would love to go larger. I'm going to check out the websites that have been mentioned to see the costs. I'm on a limited budget and just don't like spending more in shipping than I'm spending on a product.
I'm finding this a VERY interesting conversation. I'd like to encourage everyone to please share URL's for the online photo printers and a short review of quality like some have already done.
i'm confident that if a costco was nearby, i'd probaly go to solid digi, because you could make LO's for cheaper then the hard core paper. but i also truly love hard core paper and playing with the real stuff too. so i guess what i'm saying is that i would print very often at costco if it was nearby! or if shipping wasn't so darn expensive!or if i could afford the R18oo and use it too!
i'm so thrilled that people have been talking about printing, that i'm totally rambling here...
also, i wanted to share that i am pretty confident that i am the first person in this town. (northern Alberta, Canada) to actually print digi 12X12 pages. everyone alwasy asks me how and where i made those LO's.
anyways, love your site jess, thanks for giving me the confidence to go into the digi world. hoping to be a more confident printer one day!
I guess I'm all over the place. I LOVE that I can share my digi pages so easily and in such a variety of ways! My family seems to be enjoying it all!
Hope this helps!
I don't scrap in traditional albums and I have never printed 12x12 in any form. I do make some pages that way, but haven't really used them. I have lots more pages than I have printed. I am actually thinking of putting them in a digital photo frame.
I would love to print 12x12 at home. I have an Espon RX700 A4 size and do hybrid and other shape projects from that. No where here that I can even get good photo prints developed that last - so any photo's are printed at home.
I have been disappointed in some of the printing at home - my layouts don't look like they do on the screen. So I have been loathe to do too many.
Since starting digital scrap in 2005 I have done over 1200 layouts - none of which have been printed in 12 x 12 so I don't even want to imagine the cost of getting them done.
Maybe I need to rethink my way of scrapping. Go back to paper.
I make a 12x12 calendar each year that hangs in our kitchen. Most of the time, I make a double page layout for that month and put one of the pages on the calendar. Sometimes it's a single page layout (now that I've gotten over the hump of only doing double page layouts thanks to the Jessica Sprague classes). When the year is over, I take the layouts off the calendar and I print the second page of the double page layouts. If I have multiple grandchildren in a layout, I print a set for each grandchild's album. When I make layouts that don't go on a calendar, I print them out as soon as possible and put in the applicable child's album. I print these individual pages at home on my Epson 1280.
I have also made ABC books for my grandchildren, and I print them on double-sided Epson matte paper and print in my regular Epson printer. Rather than have these albums printed as a photo book, I want the kids to enjoy handling them. If any pages get damaged I can easily reprint for them.
I made a 2008 month-in-review album and once it was completed, I printed it as a Shutterfly book. So, when I have a project like that which has a definite beginning and ending, I like to print them as a photo book. I've done a book for the guys in my family from their trip to Brazil for peacock bass fishing and I plan to do a book for the Caribbean cruise I took last week with my one of my daughters and my granddaughter. I'm also almost done with my 2007 month-in-review album, thanks to my recent DID class. And I plan to print it as a Shutterfly book as well.
I also have a Disney album to make for two grandchildren I took to Disneyland last year. But I think I'll buy Disney 8x8 albums and print the layouts for those.
Plus I have a wall in my kitchen that I am covering with 12x12 and 8x8 layouts framed. I have about 14 layouts on the wall, and I plan to change them out over time.
So, long story short. I print my layouts. My family likes to look at them in albums and books, not on the computer or on a web site.
As for how to print them, there is a printer in the UK that will print 12x12 for 60p which is pretty reasonable, but I am now leaning towards waiting until I have 20 or 30 pages and getting them printed directly into a book, Shutterfly (or others) will print your layouts straight into a 12x12 photobook, I think that's going to be my preferred option from now on, they are a lot thinner than a traditional scrapbook album so much easier to store as well.